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the good news is we have spoken to the carl paladino campaign and they assured us they put one in the mail to us. we are eager to receive it and will show it to you in smell oh vision. angry, angry smell oh vision. hulk smash! "countdown with keith olbermann" starts now. which of these stories will you be talking about tomorrow? the democrats standing up and fighting. immigration reform to be central to the midterms. the dream that is the dream act. the path for citizenship through military service. >> i know that many of you campaigned hard for me. and understandably you're frustrated that we have not been able to move this over the finish line yet. i will not walk away from this
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fight. >> our special guest, congressman luis gutierrez of illinois. karl rove frogmarched out of fox news now claims he endorsed christine o'donnell. >> i endorsed her the other night. i said, i'm for the republican in every case. >> this is how he endorsed her. >> again, the serious questions about how does she make her living? why did she mislead voters about her college education? we'll see how she can answer the questions. >> what a lying sack. analysis by howard fineman. how to handle the tough questions? avoid them. >> speak through fox news. >> 51 minutes later. >> thanks for being on the program. >> thank you very much. >> the democratic tax cut. john of orange still won't say he will vote against tax cuts only for the middle class. rand paul insists on tax cuts for the wealthy even without a way to pay for them.
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and lonesome roads issued a dress code for the tea party. >> maybe it's time to lose -- i don't know, the statue of liberty costume. you know, maybe no more dressing up. >> guess what glenn dressed up as today? the chef of the future. all the news and the commentary now on "countdown." >> get off your ass and bake some pie. >> good evening from new york with overdue promises to a once enthusiastic base with the midterm elections 47 days away with questions about what the obama white house considers worthy of a fight. in our fifth story tonight, the answer. democrats with the support of president obama will introduce the first step of immigration reform and two prominent gop senators once considered the go-to republicans on immigration not only oppose the measure but are incensed that it would be attached to the defense authorization bill right along with the repeal of don't ask,
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don't tell. putting immigration reform in play before the midterms the president speaking last night before the hispanic congressional caucus at its award dinner invoked the dream act to provide a path to citizenship for minor children in the country illegally if they seek higher education or military service. the bill is modest but has been praised by the hispanic community and lawmakers. the president was quick to note past republican support for it. >> and under the pressures of partisanship and election year politics, most of the 11 republican senators who voted for the reform just four years ago have backed far away from that vote today. >> partisan opposition to immigration reform just a variation of the fear stoking politics so popular with -- fill in the blank. >> some take advantage of the economic anxiety that people are feeling to stoke fear of those
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who look, think or worship differently, to inflame passions between us and them. i have news for those people. it won't work. there is no us and them. [ applause ] >> in this country there is only us. >> of course that was reminiscent of the president's remarks on anti-muslim sentiment in this country. his wide ranging speech included a defense of the democrats' stand on taxes, and wall street reform. he mentioned his own political imperative. >> you have every right to keep the heat on me and keep the heat on the democrats. and i hope you do. that's how our political process works. [ cheers and applause ] >> but don't forget who is standing with you and who is standing against you. >> standing against the dream act senator john mccain and senator lindsay graham, the two
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saber-rattlers vowing to oppose if the dream act is attached. senator graham quoting, this is an all-time low for me being in the senate, and that's saying something. the one area kept off limits from partisan politics has been the defense of our nation." wow, have you been in the nation the last nine years? senators graham and mccain had already said they would oppose the defense bill because it includes a repeal of don't ask, don't tell. but senate majority leader harry reid who may move for cloture next week says, quote, senator mccain and anyone else who think that is the dream act is not related to national security should talk to the brave young men and women who want to defend our country but are turned away. senator mccain should know better than anyone that patriots should be offered a path to citizenship and anyone who volunteers to serve should be welcomed regardless of their sexual orientation." three democratic lawmakers met with the president in the white house. we are joined by one of them,
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the representative from the illinois fourth district and a member of the hispanic caucus, luis gutierrez. good evening. >> good evening, keith. good to be with you. >> good to have you. describe the meeting with the president and particularly as it pertains to the bill being put before congress. >> i've got to tell you, keith. i have been skeptical and critical of this president in terms of his commitment and vocation and putting the right energy. but today there was no recriminations in the room. there was no looking back. the president, i could see in his face, eyes, body language. he's ready to fight and do the right fight for young americans in all but title. 3, 4, 5-year-olds, we have educated them. they are class value dick attorne --
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valedic valedic valedictorians. i'm glad he's the president of these united states. >> republicans are saying democrats are playing politics. that the dream act is to boost turnout for the midterms and shouldn't be attached to the bill as graham and mccain say. is the president saying he's ready to fight the battle on multiple fronts? >> he seemed clear. you have run excerpts from last night's speech. he didn't only talk about immigration or bilingual education. he gave a spirited defense and he's going on offense. he's really speaking to us in very clear, stark terms which we are happy that he is. we think that's our leader. that's the one we put at the helm of our nation. not of our party but our nation. today he said, look, i'm going to use the power of the presidency and put it behind those young men and women, about a million of them. you know, keith, i was delighted
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to come out of the meeting. i'm a believer. he's going to do a lot. >> you spoke of your skepticism. last night he spoke of others' frustration with him, hispanics who campaigned hard for him. is he getting in the fight soon enough or is this late to some degree? is it soon enough? >> look, i think everybody understands that there has bye-bye been a wall built by the republicans. look, next week, i think it will be decisive. keith, i'll better be able to answer that question. maybe we'll have a conversation next thursday. let's see. there were 11 republicans that have either cosponsored the dream act or have voted for cloture to allow the dream act to be voted upon. we don't need one of them to vote on the dream act. not one of them. if they will not obstruct the path i know there are 5 51 or
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better democrats to vote for it. we think it's the right thing to do. don't obstruct the path. as the president said, why do they always have to be the party of [ speaking in a foreign language ] . why can't they be the party of "yes, we can" and move forward. people want this to be a transformational president. sure, people get disillusioned. i get angry and frustrated. he elevated my spirits yesterday at the gala. he wasn't looking backwards. i'm happy we are looking forward. harry reid is ready and we're ready. thing about it. you're telling me adding up to a million men and women to our military forces at this time as a way of service to our nation and guaranteeing your permanent residency and ultimately become a citizen because what's the
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ultimate tax you pay? the sales tax or property tax? no. it's about your limbs, life, blood, the life you leave on the battlefield and those kids are ready. >> congressman luis gutierrez of illinois. let's talk next week. >> i look forward to it. >> let's turn to cla rhisclaris martinez. distill for me out of the right and wrong and into politics. is this the energizer the democrats need for midterms? >> i think a vote on dream act, what it does is call a very important question not only for the american voter in general but for latino veoters. that is about who is going to vote for progress and who is going to continue to play politics with the lives of people? this is a bill that is going to be good for our competitive edge, good for our national security and, look, the department of defense put the dream act in its strategic plan
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for 2010. so senator mccain should take it up with the department of defense when he says it is not related to the bill. >> and the contours of the fight that that suggests -- are mccain and the other senators prepared to block the defense authorization act over this and if the white house and democrats were to back down and punt on the dream act, how damaging would that be? >> well, i think we need to get to the department of defense bill first. then if they have an issue with any of the amendments they should take that vote and make clear where they stand on it. for the latino electorate, we'll be looking at who is willing to vote for progress and who wants to keep saying "no" to everything. i think the question ought to be called and they are to demonstrate if they are going to stand not only against something that is in the interest of our national security but also, frankly, in the interest of children. >> the president told the audience last night that they had every right to keep the heat
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on him and the democrats. he said, that's how our political process works. is that, in some way, an answer to the cynics and the republican critics who say this is time to be part of the election because the answer, of course, is elections often provide the pressure needed to pass legislation. >> there are a lot of people playing politics here. we have seen too many people willing to play politics with the issue of immigration and it is having an extreme cost. leading to laws like the one in arizona which frankly are legitimizing racial profiling of a whole segment of the population. if people want to play politics, i think we ought to call the question. are they for solutions or not? we intend to hold feet to the fire of democrats and republicans on this issue. >> to your knowledge to the degree you can take soundings, how has this resonated within the hispanic community nationwide? is it seen as the second pushback particularly against
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sb-1070 in arizona after the justice department? does it seem as a clear bell sounding in washington? >> the reason why immigration has such an energizing power with the latino electorate is it is about respect. we have seen the issue of immigration manipulated to discount the contributions that latinos make to this country every day. that's why we are saying "enough." the dream act is a step in the right direction. immigration reform which a majority of americans support is the solution to the problem and the stop to things like 1070. but in the meantime, dream is important and it will show who is willing to start working towards that solution. and it, frankly, will show if there are republicans who are going to flip-flop on the issue because they supported it in the past. >> it also includes a repeal of don't ask, don't tell. is that a complication or a win-win?
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does it affect the politics in a way we are not expecting? >> i think all of the issues are important. as people have said, these are things that are going to help increase the redadiness of the milita military. people should not be saying we are not going to get to the bill simply because that may happen. if people believe in their position, they ought to take the votes on each of the issues and own it so that voters can see if they are willing to play obstructionist on something so important to our country. >> clarissa martinez, thank you for your time. >> thank you very much. >> as an interview is revealed in which christine o'donnell claimed scientists developed mice with fully functioning human brains, karl rove now claims he has endorsed her. i leave it to you to connect the dots. [ engine revving ]
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to you it may have looked like what he said about
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christine o'donnell was like hiring the entire fleet of greyhound buses in the nation and throwing her under each of them, even those in the greyhound museum. now he says it was an endorsement. no way to pay for them, no way to cover the deficit. he calls for tax breaks for the rich. and the mighty oz has spoken. tea partiers may not dress up anymore. it is hurting their credibility. ahead on "countdown." er. er. it's beneful incredibites. uh-huh! it's just the way you like it-- made with wholesome grains, real beef, even carrots and peas. you love the smaller-size, easy-to-chew kibbles, and i love the carbohydrates for energy and protein for muscles. whoa! wait for me! ha-ha. you only think you're getting spoiled. [ woman announcing ] beneful incredibites. another healthful, flavorful beneful.
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sinking in "moby dick" a sullen white rogers ails beat against the steep sides and all collapsed and the great shroud of the sea of propaganda rolled on as it rolled 5,000 years ago. and i only am escaped alone to tell the. hours after carving up christine o'donnell karl rove has endorsed christine o'donnell. nothing to see here, republicans. karl rove didn't just dissolve into putty before the masters of the universe. move along, please. washington post reported today mike castle won't endorse her citing his opponent's personal smears during the campaign, likely a reference to the homophobic comments. sarah palin's advice was to speak through fox nose.
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soon thereafter she was. >> christine, thanks for being on the program. >> thank you very much. thank you to you and all of your viewers for helping make this happen. >> hannady later playing a portion of the speech by rove asked him to respond with charges. o'donnell punted. >> we answered them on the website under christine counters with the boxing gloves. i hope that maybe it's just the fog of war that hasn't cleared yet. >> this hour, o'donnell's website remains stripped of any information about the candidate. the only thing you can do on the site is donate money. people have been donating. the candidate tweeting over $1 million has poured in since tuesday. as for her biggest critic, this morning karl rove returned to fox news for his fourth interview since the nomination. this time with a surprise endorsement which he claims he gave two nights ago.
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>> i don't have to tell you that a lot of folks are screaming and yelling that your comments and not backing her could cost the majority in the senate. >> martha, martha -- >> they want to make sure they get the majority and they are afraid you're shooting them -- >> my job as a fox analyst is to give the best insights. she's 11 points behind in the rasmussen poll behind coons. i call them as i see them not to be a cheer leader for every republican. now i have a different role outside my fox role and that's where i'm helping raise $50 million to elect republicans to the senate. when i come on fox you and your viewers expect me to shoot straight. >> absolutely. >> that's what i was doing. with all due respect she's 11 points behind. that's not out of the game but she has to make up ground quick. >> if she does that what kind of support would you -- would it just be a verbal endorsement? >> look, i endorsed her the other night. >> endorsement?
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>> i've met her. i wasn't frankly impressed as her abilities as a candidate, somebody with little money, little track record, checkered background. how does she make her livinging? why did she mislead voters about her college education. a lot of nutty things she's saying. >> i'm for the republican but this is not a race we're going to win. >> oh. that endorsement. with me now howard fineman, political columnist and msnbc political analyst. good evening. >> it takes a good political analyst to detect that endorsement, keith. >> worst endorsement ever. >> it was like running over her one way, backing up over her again. >> yeah. >> and then again and again and again. look, here's what's going on. i spoke by e-mail with karl yesterday and yesterday afternoon before i went on hardball. he said, hey, i'm stickinging
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wi -- sticking with what i said tuesday night meaning the projections of eight to nine republican seats went down to seven to eight. that's what he said in his role as an analyst on tuesday. he wasn't backing down. but between then and this morning, i think he modulated thing as little bit. there is a huge, huge war going on within the party. i think maybe even within fox news because in the same segment you showed a portion of, rove basically blamed the tener of tuesday night on bad reporting by fox reporters. he did. he said, hey, they got something wrong. that led to confusion, why people are angry at me. i think roger needs to talk to his straight-shooting analyst there. >> did he claim that was an endorsement because of the influence of the fund-raising that's been going on since then? you know, the $1 million playing a part in this perhaps?
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>> first of all, it is true that the head of the republican senate campaign committee wrote her a check for $42,000 which is a direct contribution. the real story isn't the direct contributions but the independent expenditure stuff. i don't think you will see that out of the republican party establishment. you're certainly not going to see a penny out of karl rove's american crossroads. that has sarah palin and jim demint and the other people leading the tea party upset. you've got a situation where rove is only one of many players who is under a lot of pressure to at least sound like he's willing to accept and support her. i think he's going to be dragged kicking and screaming all the way. >> two developments in the o'donnell campaign. there is a candidate forum in wilmington which o'donnell's people said she wouldn't attend because organizers refused the demand that she get questions in advance. i don't think she got the questions in advance but she showed up anyway. should we be monitoring the tape when it comes out to see if it
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rivals the jan brewer debate in arizona? will it be her last appearance in a nonfriendly environment? >> i think we'll know there is a story in karl rove is in the audience asking her why she had her home foreclosed on and did she really go to princeton. this is going to be the theme all the way through. it is with a lot of tea party candidates. christine o'donnell is going to the big conservative values coalition conference in washington this weekend. i'm sure she doesn't have wo worry about the questions in advance there. she'll have a friendly audience. one of the untold stories in addition tea party stuff, she's a staunch pro-lifer as you know. she'll be embraced by people this weekend. >> secondly, we were reminded today she appeared on fox three years ago and told bill o'reilly that stem cell research was evil because "american scientific companies are cross-breeding humans and animals and coming up with mice with fully functioning
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human brains." howard, does this have anything to do with ms. o'donnell's candidacy or mr. rove's endorsement of it? >> why they like to eat cheese? i don't know. no. i think karl thinks -- and all the bushies think -- by the way, this is the view of the bush crowd, and that's karl. you know, candidates like christine o'donnell are an embarrassment and they are going to lose and drag the party down. they might be right. what's interesting about candidates like this is that they expose the core thinking of a lot of what the bush crowd had been retailing in a cut way, you know, in a diluted way. this is the hard-core stuff, the 100-proof stuff. people like rove and company don't like to see it that openly. >> "newsweek"'s howard fineman. we'll see what comes of the "of
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the other key to the midterms calling obama's tax cuts for middle class what they are and rand paul demanding cuts for the rich. first the sanity break and the tweet of the day from whisper 1111. compared to o'donnell carry prejean is the more experienced candidate. and you thought we'd get tired of those christine o'donnell jokes. not really, no. let's play oddball. we begin in the ukraine. talk about steel magnolias. viktor mickhalav has been a
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if democrats listen closely to republicans they might notice what they do not hear. after john boehner said sunday that he would vote for middle class tax cuts that excluded the rich, if that's his only option, he and other house republicans tried to back pedal. but democrats may want to note that house republicans aren't
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saying they will vote against middle class tax cuts if that is their only option. boehner today refused, when asked by talking points memo, to say if he would block the proposal, one vote on middle class tax cuts, one on tax cuts for the rich. i don't want to get into a bunch of hypotheticals he said, just minutes after hypothesizing what nancy pelosi should do. >> she ought to pledge that there be an honest up or down vote on stopping all of the coming tax hikes. anything less than that is unacceptable. if the speaker allows an up or down vote i'm confident that the american people will not see increases in their taxes. >> instead, the speaker said she does not support even a temporary extension of the bush tax cuts on household income over a quarter million. a handful of democrats want to cut the taxes for the rich including jim matheson of utah. he told the plumb line blog about majority opposition sigs saying, quote, i don't know that it applies in my district which
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includes fewer than 12,000 households with income that would benefit from the gop tax cuts for the rich. think progress reports. 12,000 out of 300,000 in his direct. this as even self-proclaimed deficit hawks like rand paul fall in line not just for $3 trillion plus this decade alone in tax cuts but for passing the tax cuts without a hint of an idea of how to pay for them. according to the lexington herald leader he said he would review federal programs and that, quote, politicians are too chicken to talk about specific spending cuts. he then said he'll revel his plan to balance the federal budget after election day. let's bring in heather mcgee, the director of the d.c. office of demos. thanks for your time tonight, heather. >> thank you, keith. >> from a policy perspective, what should democrats be doing about the expiration of the bush tax cuts on the 31st of december? >> well, that depends what kind of democrat you are. as you just showed in your
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segment there, there are a few different types of democrats. if you are the type of democrat who cares about having a prosperous american economy with a strong middle class at the center of it of course you know that the bush tax cuts for the wealthy for a bad idea in 2001, in 2003 and even worse in 2010 when we've got one in ten americans out of a job. actually, the lowest federal revenue as a share of gdp than we have had in 50 years. >> the deficit hawk rand paul made this statement today that he has no way to pay for these tax cuts. so what, he says, essentially. what happens to economic growth and job creation if they were to add $3 trillion plus to the deficit to make sure the top 2% get their lowered taxes? >> this is really one of the most disappointing parts of the political season. just the height of hypocrisy around the deficit and jobs. we've got an extraordinary
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situation in communities across the country where people are out of work, where the jobs have disappeared and because of the phony deficit hawk nonsense going on in washington there isn't even the political will to do what needs to be done to actually put people back to work. direct spending on jobs, direct job creation is off the table because of the deficit. yet as soon as we start talking about tax cuts for the rich, so many of the deficit hawks are actually now twiddling their thumbs, trying to find a way to back pedal out of their deficit fear mongering. >> you mentioned the different kinds of democrats. how you would you respond to matheson saying any tax cut will hurt his district? >> i'm glad you did the homework in finding out what the people in his district earn. if he had done more homework he would know that actually only 2% of the american small business
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owners pay the tax rate we are talking about here. the republican talking point that mathe son and republicans have been saying about, it's actually small business owners who are going to pay the top rates and therefore we can't raise them or we'll hurt the economy is nonsense. they should know that tax cuts for the rich are the least effective way to stimulate the economy. less effective by about 80% than infrastructure spending, than state aid to keep teachers and firefighters in their jobs and unemployment and then of course, again, direct job creation which i have to keep harping on. it is off the table right now in washington and it's ridiculous when we have the communities suffering the way they are. >> to finish your thought, the money given back to the rich they put in their wallets or likely in their bank accounts. one other point we don't talk enough about, we are only talking tax rates on income you make at your job. most of the wealthy already pay a lower rate that's not based on income, but based on where their
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money comes from. correct? can you expand on that? >> absolutely. this is actually, keith, one of the biggest conservative economic policy victories of our time. they got to a situation in which in america today wealth is taxed at a lower rate than work. if i'm a middle class american who goes to work and depends on a paycheck, the tax rate that's important to me is the income tax rate. if i'm middle class i have a tax rate of about 25%. if i'm a ceo or someone who inherited a lot of wealth whose real income depends on capital gains, stock dividends, basically what happens on wall street and what my investment adviser says and howle well my stocks do, because of the bush tax code, 15% as opposed to 25% is the rate paid on capital gains and dividends. wealth is taxed less than work in america. we champion workers in america. we say that we respect work but obviously that's not the case with the bush tax code.
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>> yep. we are providing disincentives for rich people to get a job. heather mcghee from demos, thank you for your time tonight. >> thank you, keith. now tea party people of earth, the great klatu glenn beck is speaking. don't dress up funny anymore. well, he still can. ever wonder where tokyo rose limbaugh get this is stuff? he slipped. he revealed it. it's wikipedia. and how the right goes after the women's vote with female candidates who have anything but women's interests at heart. [ engine revving ]
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according to televangelist glenn beck tuesday's primary victories in tea party candidates marked the end of the beginning for the movement. it is now onto step two to seize control of the country back from the liberal fascist black liberation theel gists who hijacked the country. step two involves a dress code. the newest campaign calls for his people to stop dressing funny. so nontea partiers stop thinking his ideas are crazy. the decree comes from the dear tea party leader who did so yesterday. he opened the show by patting his flock on the back for primary day tri um ofs. now about what you are wearing. >> here's the thing you have to do. this is very important that the tea party movement gets this. i'm speaking as an outsider here. kind of extreme makeover tea party edition. have you ever seen -- i have heard about the show.
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i haven't watched it. have you ever seen "what not to wear"? that's what needs to happen. >> hold on a minute. outsider? glenn beck tea party outsider? hmm. go on. >> i am saying that maybe it's time to lose -- oh, i don't know -- the statue of liberty costume, you know. maybe no more dressing up, you know, with abe lincoln or putting the foam finger on your head or something like that, or the obama is a socialist t-shirt. you may want to put it back in the drawer. let me explain why. >> don't worry. he'll still be a socialist and you will look great in your new members only jacket. >> it's very posimportant that understand the image. the image. do what you want to do, but when you dust off the statue of liberty costume and wear toyota -- it to a rally, guess who is
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on the front page of the news. you. >> front page of news, bad. front page of beck's book, no problem. the doorman at the blaine hotel wants his hat back. glenn beck can bring on the thomas paine impersonator. he can fear monger with swastikas, but you need to refrain. glenn beck can play dress-up, but he's a professional. like today, the day after his decree when he dressed up like a baker. tomorrow, karl marx, the candlestick maker. >> you cannot discredit the movement now. you have made it. dress normally, take the signs down. because what we are talking about now are leaders of the free world. you have the character to do that. but they are judging you not on the content of your character, but on your signs and your clothing.
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>> eugene robinson of msnbc and of the washington post. immaculately attired tonight. good evening. >> thank you very much. >> thank you for leaving the sign home, too. the thesis here is that people get scared when they see funny looking tea partiers and it's bad for business. is this about marketing, whatever glenn beck is selling? >> it's certainly about branding, if not marketing. maybe that's the same thing. it's about image and one wonders if the next step will be for him not just to say dress normally but to suggest some uniform they should wear and when he starts suggesting like a nice plain shirt perhaps in some sort of hue of brown, i will really start getting concerned. >> um, these fine folks here are for freedom, but now they are not allowed to wear costumes, can't carry signs. they want to dictate who gets to marry whom and they want
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corporate america to run the country. the comparison to the founding fathers, is that beginning to slide off and king george is replacing that role model for them? >> well, i think you have hit on that pesky central contradiction in the whole tea party thing. the basic idea that, you know, you should be free to live exactly the way i say you should live. and that's the way we should run the country. they are awfully prescriptive for people who claim to believe in all sorts of freedoms. but they don't seem to have internalized that contradiction. i don't think glenn beck is going to let them in on it. >> there is something serious here. we had a poll yesterday that said in essence half of the country has no opinion of the tea party. the other half it's about 23, 27. but there is half without an opinion yet.
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in that context seeing if they clean up nice on show day, that's not as crazy as it sounds from a pure politics point of view, is it? >> no. it's not as crazy as it sounds because if half the country really hasn't formed an opinion about the tea party, i suppose people are more likely to think highly of them if they see them dressed as ordinary people rather than some sort of freakshow. you know, the whole tea party impulse that's out there is obviously a genuine thing. that's obviously out there. the question is how it gets channelled into any sort of reasonably constructive path that has to do with the way we run our political system. fra frankly, it has not been. let's see how the midterms come out. maybe we'll have interesting
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senators. >> i know which one you're going for. >> yeah. >> if you subtract the out there appearance and you are left with what is said and -- if the clothing no longer makes the tea party then aren't you forced to listen to christine o'donnell explain that there are human mice running around amid us? >> well, you are. you're forced back into the mice and men problem. you're also forced, keith, to deal with the va pidity of the rhetoric. what does it mean to take our country back and return to the principles of the founding fathers? maybe you have to read a book and find out what the founding fathers believed and read the constitution to find out what it actually says. it doesn't say, you know, what you'd like it to say. so then where are you? >> patrick henry, more than man row believed in no

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Countdown With Keith Olbermann
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